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Oraac Ensor
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.06.21 10:01:00 -
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The discussion seems to be over, but I'm baffled by many of the posts in the Hoarder/Mammoth debate which claim that the art department has said they think the Mammoth is ugly. When/where did they say that? CCP Rise says only that they don't like the way it looks, which is a very different matter. A film's casting director might say he doesn't like the look of a particular actress but that doesn't mean he thinks that she's ugly, just that her looks don't suit his purpose.
Likewise with the Mammoth. The other races each have a generic racial 'look' to their industrial ships. The Amarr ships have the typical Amarr carapace shape; the Caldari are all variations of the same hull with enlarged mid-section portions added as necessary; the Gallente all have the same front section, with four also having a similar propulsion block at the rear and the rest of the hull being various combinations of standard modular units. On the other hand only two Minmatar indies share a common racial look - the Wreathe and the Hoarder. Both have a brick-like appearance and have small engines mounted on outrigger sponsons at the front end, plus the Hoarder looks rather like two beefed-up Wreathes mounted one above the other.
On the above basis I would rather see the Mammoth hull sidelined for the sake of continuity of the racial similarity of the other two even though I like the look of the Mammoth and have two of them and only one Hoarder (all rigged). The main problem I see is that most existing Mammoth pilots will have selected the ship because of its high capacity - the obvious solution to that would be to switch the hulls around.
Some posters also saw a problem with the Mastadon being the Minmatar DST if the Mammoth was sidelined and yet make no comment on the fact that both Gallente advanced indies are based on hulls which are now to be sidelined.
If the Hoarder is now to be the surplus item I strongly disagree with the proposed reduction in its base capacity, which results in a maximum capacity with expanders and T1 rigs which is very little more than the Wreathe - that can't be right. If it kept its present base value it would make more sense as maxed out it would have a similar capacity to the Iteron III.
I think the Iteron IV should also keep its existing base capacity to give it a bigger lead over the basic Iteron. |
Oraac Ensor
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.06.21 10:28:00 -
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Callic Veratar wrote:I will continue to use a mammoth, even if the hoarder is "better". I hated the hoarder when I was given it in the tutorial and stuck with my wreathe for a long time. Which tutorial was that, then? None of them gave me a Hoarder (I've done the tutorials of all races, don't let this Caldari character fool you).
Ryelek d'Entari wrote:(5) Nobody puts guns on haulers. There's no situation in which it's even remotely the right thing to do. Never heard of a Battle Badger?
Melek D'Ivri wrote:- Iteron mark IV is the Occator hull isn't it? No - Viator.
Gizan wrote:Why does the bestower now hold MORE than the Impel, its t2 variant? Ah, now let me guess . . . oh, could it be because the T2 variants have not yet been rebalanced?
darmwand wrote: Don't just listen to the art dept, have you seen what they did to the Navy Comet? As far as I recall they improved its looks by about 1000% by getting rid of that ludicrous police car look.
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Oraac Ensor
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.06.21 10:36:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Oraac Ensor wrote:As far as I recall they improved its looks by about 1000% by getting rid of that ludicrous police car look.
you mean, the very thing people loved about it? And others absolutely hated. |
Oraac Ensor
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.06.21 13:34:00 -
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Oraac Ensor
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.06.21 17:48:00 -
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Lady Ayeipsia wrote:One thought.... Give us a mid range hauler that is balanced between tank and cargo. As for hull, all we need is an amarr hull.
For gal, use the ity 3. Minmatar, use the mammoth (or shuffle, but you have the spare hull).
For caldari... Use the badger Mrk 2. For the max haul badger, use the mrk 3. The MRK 3 does exist, look at the bustard (t2 blockade runner) it uses the badger Mrk 3 hull, always have. Just reskin it with the standard t1 caldari color scheme.
Them all you need is an amarr middle ground hauler. And I'd be willing to bet there's at least one lurking in the art department's files.
Dersen Lowery wrote:OK, then, how about the Tristan? Gallente have always had one extra frigate. Eh?
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Oraac Ensor
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.06.26 00:57:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Finally I think you should release the Badger Mk III Model for a 3rd Caldari Ship and create a new Amarr Industrial. That creates 3 types of Industrials.
1. Speed 2. Agility 3. Use your Imagination
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